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calls to give you a chance to sound 866-55-press. and who say there is a recession? black friday proves the recession is over. 247 million americans went shopping online or in stores totaling $59 billion in sales. the obama economy is booming. all right. we'll get into that and a whole lot more. but first here is the latest from lisa ferguson. good morning. >> hey bill good morning, everyone. hope you all had a happy thanksgiving and just in case you did not get enough shopping in on black friday said is siber monday when retailers will post all of their sales online. the white house is releasing a report on the impact of middle class tax cuts on consumer
spending. as we know with all of this talk of the fiscal cluf tax cuts are set to spike at the beginning of next year. according to the new report allowing middle class tax rates to group, along with allowing the current tax cut to expire would change the gdp. this is all part of the president's effort to extent the burr-era tax cuts for americans making less than $250,000 a year, all while incriesing taxes on the wealthy. it seems some members of the dgdp could be coming around and
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are in and part of the crowd. greet to see you again. we're coming to you live from our studio on capitol hill where we expect the house and senate to come back in session today after their thanksgiving break and save us from going off of the fiscal cliff. i don't know whether we can count on them to do it or not, but they're working on it. and we have the whole team reassembles here today. peter ogburn. >> hey. >> bill: good to you see. dan henning has been here. >> i been here man. >> bill: checking in on the phones and siprion bolling been here the whole time either. i was in turkey in istanbul.
a great, great city. >> i'm going to make the obvious joke that you went to turkey for turkey. >> bill: yes. no turkey. i saw one turkey in the market in a poultry shop in the spice market, a dead turkey so they do exist. but it is a fabulous beautiful, beautiful, city. i have no idea what went on. >> yeah, if you are going to go out of the country like that just clock off. >> bill: well, believe me that's what we
[ technical difficulties ] >> bill: kongman, jesse jackson, jr. has retired. john stanton will be with us. great lineup today, but first. >> some of the headlines making news on this monday. president obama and his daughter went out on saturday to a block store in arlington, virginia. he consulted his blackberry and bought 15 books for his friends and family. unlike michelle who is said to spent hours on shopping. >> he is a professional guy. mission accomplished. >> notre dame is heading to the
bcs national championship game. they went undefeated for the season and now awaiting the winner for the sec championship. they'll likely face either alabama or georgia in that game. >> they will play either alabama or georgia. role tide. >> instan gram broke a already for the number of pictures up loaded on thanksgiving day. a total of 10 million uploads on the social sharing program. >> bill: there are people who will never take a bite before they take a picture. whatever course it is. >> peter is shaking his head. >> shut up and eat your food.
>> i'll admit i put up some instagram photos of food over the weekend. >> if you make a pie from scratch or a meal and you are really impressed, but for people to take a picture of a bowl of yogurt with granola and say breakfast of champion or something, shut up. who cares. >> bill: there are people who never take a bite of anything -- >> shut up and eat your food. >> bill: have i shown you this photo -- >> that's an install gram-worthy shot you showed us. bill showed us a picture of one of his turkish meals. >> the first course they bring you, his little -- tapas -- like
small plates. they bring you a big tray and you pick one or two that you might like. huh-uh. they put 21 of them on the table in front of our private lives so all of those issues of same-sex marriage and abortion and even contraception, certainly birth control, even prayer in public schools. put those aside and let's deal with the fiscal issues. that was the classic republican. in fact, a friend of mine the [ technical difficulties ] >> bill: republicans are now on
board with raising new revenues. republicans on the need for revenues. and you look everybody is saying it, john boehner, mitch mcconnell peter king lindsay graham, on and on and on. all of these republicans coming out and saying we agree, you can't do it by spending cuts alone. you have got to raise revenues and we're on board, and we're willing to break the grover norquist pledge. these guys have totally recognized the american people agree with obama, and so therefore they are going to change their ways. here is my advise to all of you, all right. don't believe it. this is a con game. this is a shell game that the republicans are playing. let's listen to some of the
voices. here for example is saxby channedless. it's valid now but times have changed significantly. and i care more about this country than i do about a 20-year old pledge. >> bill: oh, yeah. he is setting himself up there as oh, man, i love my country, more than i love grover norquist. peter king yesterday. >> i agree entirely, a pledge you signed 18 years ago is for that congress. if i were in congress in 1841 i would have signed the declaration of war against japan, but i'm not going to go
to war against japan today. >> bill: now listen to his follow up. >> i think everybody should be on the table. i myself am opposed to tax increases. i agree with trying to find the best practice. i have faith in john boehner. i think so far he has been pretty conciliatory in his language. >> bill: but no tax increases. also yesterday on one of the sunday shows on "this week." >> when you are $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid the coming brief and republicans should put revenue on the table. we are this far in debt capping
deductions will help generate revenue. >> bill: oh, there again, yeah. no new revenue, yes. but not raising taxes. lindsay graham goes on to something else that he throws out here. >> i agree with we shouldn't raise rates, but i think grover is wrong. what do you do with the money? buy down debt and cut rates to create jobs but i will violate the pledge, long story short for the good of the country, only if democrat will do entitlement reform. >> bill: oh, peter you listen to what these people are saying that's why the media has it all wrong. they are falling for this republican line of crap. republicans lost this election. this was mitt romney's deal. and president obama said we have to have an balanced deal we're
going to cut spending to the bone, but you have also got to get rid of those bush tax cuts for the wealthiest of americans, and put it back where it was under president clinton, the greatest economic growth in our lifetime. americans went with president obama's idea. it's now time for republicans to accept this is what the americans want. but instead this is more republican propaganda, and i just kills me that so many of my colleagues in the media are falling for it. republicans are saying we'll break the pledge. who cares. they say they are going to break the pledge, bfd, they say they
are going to offer new revenue. okay. sure. but where from? they say will not, no no, no, tax rates for the wealthy of americans. we will not raise taxes on the 1%. we will only accept new revenue from closing loopholes. that means your mortgage interest deduction is history, and your child care deduction is history. that's what they want to get rid of. and two entitlement reform that means getting rid of social security and medicare and making at it voucher program, which mitt romney and paul ryan supported and the american people rejected. so don't fall for this republican line of baloney that they have suddenly seen -- gotten religion when it comes to new revenue. the only solution is an balanced
report which includes spending cuts and new revenue and not just closing loopholes. it's not just closing loopholes. it has got to include raising taxes on the wealthiest 1%. let's talk about it 866-55-press. 866-557-7377. i hope i'm not alone among the media who will say these republicans are just trying to con the americans one more time and stick to the old mitt romney plan which the american people rejected on november 6th. don't fall for it. 866-55-press. let's talk about it. >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." ♪
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>> announcer: this is the "full court press," the "bill press show," live on your radio and on current tv. >> bill: 25 minutes after the hour. republicans want us to believe that they are throwing grover norquist under the bus and they are going to do along with getting rid of the bush tax cuts. oh, no they aren't. what they are saying is we'll accept new revenue as long as it comes off of the backs of the middle class. peter what is do we have on the twitter world. >> suddenly they forgot the $716 million that was cut from medicare. blue rabbit says so republicans are saying that we know -- we
know we lost the election so let's implement romney's ideas anyway. >> bill: exactly. >> and one more says don't call for it demes, president obama must stand strong and end the bush tax cuts. >> bill: i want to add to that but the media has got to call them out. the media has got to stop taking the bait. come on. here is our rovering ambassador down in florida. good morning. >> caller: good morning, bill. republicans can't changes their strives. first of all democrats please stop allowing this to be called entitlement programs. it is something that was taken out of my paycheck. >> bill: thank you.
>> caller: harry reid said they didn't contribute to the debt problem. these big tax breaks contributed to the debt problem, the two false wars created the deficit. we need to lock arms and walk up to the cliff and see what it is all about. >> bill: arnold you got it. alan in new bedford mass. >> caller: good morning, bill. i think there are two separate issues. the bush tax cuts were to expire in 2010. they were only extended was because of [ inaudible ]. period. >> bill: yeah, that was all over the debt ceiling negotiations. the president went along with it, but it's time to end them
♪ >> announcer: chatting with you live at current.com/bill press. this is the "bill press show," live on your radio and current tv. >> bill: how about it coming to you live indeed. coming you live on cirrus xm this hour only and on current tv. republicans talking out both sides of their mouth. on one side they are saying hey yeah, we realize we have to
raise revenues. but huh-uh but we're not going to raise tax cuts on the wealthiest of americans. we're going to make the middle class pay for it. trach away their home mortgage deduction, and get rid of social security and medicare. it is the same old mitt romney bs that america rejected on november 6th. why is the media falling for it? >> bill: you have heard me talk about ancestry.com. veterans day we celebrated this month, and heard great stories about families from world war i ward churchill -- and world war
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show. mike says i voted for barack obama not grover norquist. >> bill: nobody voted for grover norquist. >> really. and the president wanted his kids to see what a real bookstore looked like. >> bill: an independent bookstore. >> yes, and bobby says hey a lot of us share recipes and culture on instagram. maybe on pinterest, not on instan gram. i'm just saying i appreciate the sharing of recipes and culture, but not on instagram.
breaking ball how about ep epicurious. >> that's another one. >> bill: so the republicans are still trying to sell the romney policies under a different name. cheryl is calling from wyoming how are you? >> caller: how are you? >> bill: good. >> caller: just a quick comment when we were talking about raising the tax rate. the superrich aren't paying 35% now. they are paying 14%. we need to close the loopholes if we want to raise revenue. >> bill: we have to do both. close the loopholes, but you are right, make them pay their fair share of taxes. remember the buffet rule? he has an op-ed saying there should be a minimum rate that
the wealthiest have to pay. so they can only take advantage of loopholes from maybe reducing their tax rate from 39 to maybe 29, right? >> caller: that would make sense. >> bill: but not 14. >> caller: exactly. democrats have to hold steadfast. the middle class is already taxed to death. my husband and i both make good money, but it would be a huge hit with as much tax increase that that would cause us. >> bill: that's right. and president obama is out there now to give the middle class -- to give 98% of americans a tax break and raise the taxes on those 2%. that bill has passed the senate john boehner won't even bring it up to a vote in the house. so unless boehner is willing to
put that bill up to a vote 98% of our listeners and viewers, your taxes are going to go up. republicans to this date are saying they don't care. your taxes are going to go up. gene is in cleveland. >> caller: good morning, bill. i have my house paid for, and it would take a lot of charity deductions for me to come up with -- not to have the standard deduction. >> bill: yeah, gene the problem is, and that's a very good point. we don't know exactly what loop holes they are talking about closing. romney won't tell us and these republicans today aren't telling us either. >> caller: that's right. it should be called annuities,
government annuities. >> caller: well, that's what they are right? >> yeah and we paid more money for those annuities to bill up a trust so we could get that money back, and they are going after that trust. >> bill: damn right, no. people say entightments have to be on the table too. no they don't. they have nothing to do with our debt. social security and medicare did not contribute to it at all. ann is in california. >> caller: what i was going to say is words matter, so some of the words i like to use that people totally get, is the only entitlement program we should be talking about is the entightments for the rich and famous. that is their -- they feel so
freaken entitled. and the other phrase i use is needy billionaires. >> bill: yeah, yeah right. i like that. it is interesting that they are always saying you know -- they are against all of these handouts, right? and romney complaining about obama giving away gifts to various groups of americans, and that's how he won the election but boy, they have their hand out more than everybody else. right? >> caller: absolutely. and they feel totally entitled to every strap they can sponge off of the rest of us. >> caller: yes it's greedy greedy bastards that make up 2% of the wealthiest americans. not all of them. >> caller: not all of them. the millionaires are kind of
with us on this, but definitely not the billionaires. >> caller: yeah. we had one of the former aol executives, and he said hey, we have had a good life made a lot of money, and recognize we need to pay this country back by paying a little more in taxes. bill what do you say? >> caller: i'm a 60-year-old veteran. and i didn't know social security was an entitlement. i don't see anything where the government actually put in. >> bill: yeah, of course you were making the point a couple of other callers did. but you are absolutely right. this was set up as basically an insurance policy to supplement whatever other retirement
program you might have. it's no handout or entitlement. we should stop losing that word and stop letting them use that word. >> caller: and the other thing during the election, they kept saying that they are trying to scare the senior people about obama was going to take their medicare and stuff away from them, but am i correct if some of that was tooken away it would be covered under the national health care for everybody? >> bill: first of all, no you still need medicare, if -- well i don't want to get too complicated here. but if bill we had had a public plan option or a single-payer option, which is where i thought we should have gone, you wouldn't need medicare anymore. but that's not the care here. the fact is they were just lying when they said obama was going to take aware medicare.
obama wants to save medicare. mitt romney and paul ryan wanted to turn it into voucher care and the american people rejected that. so let's not let them bring it back here. david jackson covers the white house for "usa today." we'll join us in the next segment, and ask him where he thinks president obama is going to come down on the issue. >> announcer: on your radio and on current tv, this is the "bill press show." ♪ confrontational, but to understand what the other side is saying, and i'd like to arm our viewers with the ability to argue with their conservative uncle joe over the dinner table. to come down on the issue.
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thanksgiving day turkey. >> absolutely. he cracked a few jokes, making crack about something like his last gift. and he also made a nate silver joke. >> bill: oh, did he? >> yeah, saying nate silver was right on on which turkey would be pardoned this year. >> bill: that's great. i read in the tribune the fact that there was a big turn out of the press corps. >> yeah a lot of reporters brought family and friends because it's an easy event to get people into. >> bill: well, it is the party season. i got my invitation to the
annual christmas party. >> yeah, the number keeps going up exponentially, but i think it is about 20. and he'll be shaking thousands of hands. they stand there in some room off of the white house, and you get to shake the president's hand and get a picture snapped with him. >> bill: right. and they do it for -- of course for the press corps, the staff, and big donors -- >> the congress diplomatic corps and different departments within the government. >> bill: oh my god, merry christmas mr. president. >> right. >> bill: there are some important issues on his agenda david. he did have that meeting with the leadership of congress.
where do things stand first of all with regard to the fiscal cliff? >> well, we're spending another meeting maybe on friday of this week. we have a situation where the republicans are talking about they are willing to accept more revenue, but they don't want higher tax rates. they want to eliminate deductions, while the president wants to increase the tax rate for those that make more than $250,000 a year. >> bill: we have been talking about that and i want your take too, i keep reading some of these stories about republicans have changed their minds now, but really they haven't, have they? they are really still saying we're not going to get rid of the bush tax cuts for the wealthiest of americans. where does the revenue come from?
>> well, that's what jack [ inaudible ] will tell you. you can't eliminate enough tax breaks to eliminate the debt. >> bill: so they are not saying anything different, are they? >> they are saying a little bit more about revenues and breaking a little bit with grover norquist. but i think there's also the feeling that it will go to the last minute just like everything else does, because boehner is going to want more and more until he get anymore. and republicans feel the same way about the white house. so while there is a lot of confidence that some kind of agreement will be reached, but it will go right until december 31st. >> bill: i was in the east room
with you for the president's press conference and he said he will not accept any deal that does not include getting rid of the bush tax cuts, do you believe he'll stick to that? >> yeah, because i think he feels like he has the advantage, and the republicans will come around at least on one of the tax rates. i think there are two involved and i think the republicans feel like he'll come around on one. as long as they can have revenues on the table they can always declare victory. >> bill: it seems to me he has to stick to it. times were different now and this time no way no how. david jackson thank you for
joining us. >> thank you bill. you are a star now, congratulations. >> bill: david jackson. we'll see you. i had the picture enlarged in my study at home. >> announcer: radio meets television. the "bill press show" now on current tv. ♪ out for us. but whether he's climbing everest, scuba diving the great barrier reef with sharks or jumping into the market he goes with people he trusts, which is why he trades with a company
live on your radio and current tv. >> bill: we'll talk about the studio and the fiscal cliff. saxby chambliss saying he loves this country more than the grover norquist pledge. stephanie says does this prove in the past the norquist pledge was more important to him than the country. and robert says it is the same old bs only this time they are calling it honey. tina cisaro says liars all of you democratic parties. you are all liars and freeloaders and baby killers. we're filing charges which will remove you and your illegal
the day. do ittal 866-55-press. if you have been following the media, you might think republicans have had a sex change operation. they say they are willing now to accept new revenues but they still refuse to get rid of the bush tax cuts. they are just selling the same old romney pollties that americans rejected on november 6th. don't be fooled. we're not. first standing by with the latest of today's current news update. >> good morning, everyone. two thirds of americans say they are worried about the problems the fiscal cliff could pose for the economy. while 70% of people say they do want a compromise two-thirds say we likely won't get there, and think washington is more
likely to act like spoiled children than responsible adults. many lawmakers say it is time to put everything on the table, but not everyone agrees. senator durbin said that social security does not add one penny to the deficit and should be left alone. and republicans say they will not accept higher rates for the healthy. current trends smoe taxes for the rich are actually drops that is thanks to the bush tax cuts that lowered the rate on investment income, and the fact that wealthy americans are making more money from their investments than ever before. according to new data, from the irs, a tax rate for those making more than $100,000 a year and for those making more than
$10 million a year their tax rate was lower. capital gains rates are the biggest driver of income in america. more bill press after the break. stay with us. created ad message for little caesars who proudly salutes unites states veterans everywhere. >> hi, i'm rick loz. i joined the united states air force in 1987. you're about to watch a viewer created ad message for little caesars who proudly salutes unites states veterans >> hi, i'm rick loz. i joined the united states air force in 1987. as i was leaving the service i went into a civilian career for a little bit but i was looking for a little bit more than what the civilian career had to offer me and that's when learned about
[♪ theme music ♪] >> announcer: broadcasting across the nation, on your radio, and on current tv this is the "bill press show." >> bill: good morning, great to see you today. what do you say? it is november 26th good to be back with you after a little vacation break thanks to john fugelsang and david shuster for filling in while i was gone and for our entire team press here
for keeping the good team press afloat. party is over. my vacation is over your long thanksgiving vacation is over, so it's time to get back to the issues of the day. we'll give you a chance to join the conversation, of course, give us a call at 866-55-press, tell us what you think on twitter @bppress. and joining our team this morning, arthur delaney, who covers economic issues and all of that other good stuff from huff post. good to see you. >> good morning. >> bill: and joining the team is peter ogburn. >> he is an early riser, arthur.
>> bill: and dan henning. >> good morning. >> bill: and siprion bolling. we still haven't give him a microphone yet. >> bill: no, he is intollable today. >> bill: when you have a big job on television and you want to drop a bomb do you do it? you don't tell your boss there were two workers at abc, longest-running broadcasting team. they wait until the end of their broadcast friday night and drop this little bomb. >> finally tonight this will be
tony and my final show here. the last six years have been interesting and enjoyable. >> we have loved every moment of bringing the news to you and coming into your home. some recent developments have come to our attention and quitting is the best way to handle it. >> bill: so they quit. if they had told their boss ahead of time they were going to quit. he would have said no you're not going to do this newscast. >> but they didn't say why. >> bill: they still haven't. >> some management fight they weren't happy with. >> bill: according to this mornings "new york times," they thought the general manager was
letting his political philosophy dictate which stories they could and could not cover on the news. >> what was his political philosophy? >> bill: i don't know, but one is led to believe it is not liberal. but they have not publicly said that. they just quit. and they didn't say anything nasty. >> i wish they would have gotten nastier. >> bill: i wish they would have said we have been having this wild affair, so we're going to go get married. [ laughter ] >> if you need us, we'll be under the desk. >> bill: we're inspired which david petraeus. >> yeah, right. >> bill: all right. back on the right road here. >> yeah, right. >> bill: joe will be joining us at the top of the next hour to
talk about some of the important foreign policy issues and then john stanton will be here. but first. >> announcer: this is the "full court press." >> on this monday the chief spokesmen have a different look today all in the name of charity. brood woodhouse, and his counterpart saved their heads as a result of an election bet. woodhouse joined in solidarity when they decided to raise money for a children's cancer charity. >> bill: get brad woodhouse back in here as fast as we can. >> the cleveland browns avoided a potentially embarrassing situation yesterday. the teams promotion department
were set to hand out 70,000 white towels, but then they realized that would become like a bunch of people waiving surrender flags. [ laughter ] >> why would they do that? >> they wanted to counter act the steelers yellow towels. >> bill: the newest thing is giving away towels. the last nats game i went to they gave away flags. >> good thing they didn't wave the flags, because the browns beat the stealers yesterday. >> call me crazy, if you are going to give away flags, and your team name is the browns, maybe a brown towel -- >> or an orange towel. >> bill: what happened to the white towels they did not give away? >> they were burned.
[ laughter ] >> and the power ball lottery jackpot now stands at its highest level in history, $425 million. no numbers matched the grand prize on saturday. the previous record is $365 million. this totally blows that out of the water, your odds in winning 1 in 175 million. good luck. >> bill: yeah, more likely to get stuck by lightning. >> all you need is a dollar and a dream. >> bill: we now we need new revenues, but listen carefully to what the republicans are
saying. they really haven't changed their tune much at all. here is peter king from new york listen carefully. >> i think everything should be on the table. i mice am opposed to tax increases, the speaker and the majority leader pa president are going to be in a room trying to find the best package. i'm not going to prejudge it. i have faith in john boehner to put together a good package. >> bill: but no new tax increases. now here is lindsay graham on "this week" with george steph nop louse. >> i think grover is wrong when it comes to you can't cap deductions and buy down money. i will violate the pledge long story short for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> bill: it seems to me arthur
is what they are really saying is yes we have had a come to jesus moment, and we'll accept new revenues as long as you keep the bush tax cuts in place and you get rid of social security and medicare which is what they mean by entitlement reform. isn't this just a big con job? >> well, they have all signed the taxpayer protection pledge which if you read it it says no raising income tax rates, but also no monkeying with deductions if you are not going to pair that with reducing the rates even more. >> bill: any increase in revenue is forbidden, basically under the pledge. >> basically. so they're not saying they are going to raise tax rates, but they are violating half of the pledge. >> bill: okay. >> if you are going to break the pledge, break the whole thing bill press says. >> bill: no, my point is that
you can't get to where you need to get, which is to balance the budget, if you will, or at least avoid going off of the fiscal cliff by breaking just half of the pledge. they have to get rid of the tax cuts for the wealthiest of americans. so my argument is republicans haven't changed their tune at all. they want us to believe it but they really haven't. they are still selling the romney bs, don't you agree? >> they haven't changed their tune on -- all we're talking about is the top marginal tax rate on incomes above $250,000. >> bill: exactly. which they refuse to raise. >> president obama's reelection campaign was basically all about this. we're going to put this tax rate back up --
>> bill: right to where it was under bill clinton, and the economy soared. >> and obama won, and it's as if that didn't happen. >> bill: yeah. >> the wealthiest still benefit from the bush tax cuts. it's interesting that even though they are trying to sound conciliatory, they still are totally obstinate about the top rate. >> bill: but back to my point, which is that this is a con job, a shell job. >> yeah. >> bill: republicans have gotten religion over revenues and over the pledge and they really haven't when you look at it. let me suggest something else. this is really i know radical, okay. obama won, romney lost. why are we even having this
-- [ technical difficulties ] >> bill: the mortgage interest deduction, right? health care, perhaps, child care. so republicans are really saying that we'll -- i hate to use this phrase, because it's almost cliche, but we will avoid the fiscal cliff by putting the burden on the back of the middle class. >> yeah, another way of saying basically regressive tax policy proposal. it's not nice to the lower incomes. >> bill: arthur delaney, reporter for the huffington post, you have a thing every day in the "huffington post," the daily delaney downer. >> that's in our huff post hill
newsletter. >> bill: where you are saying -- i hate reading it almost -- don't take that personally. [ laughter ] >> bill: but the economy is doing pretty good isn't it? >> it is doing better. >> bill: look at black friday. >> when i look at black friday i cry. but yeah things are getting better. >> bill: 247 million americans went out and spent an average $423 each. >> wow. >> bill: friday. what recession? >> well, how many people got hurt? >> bill: yeah, really. how many people got trampled. >> yeah, the economy is getting better. i will be out of a job. no more downers. only upside downers. you won't see me anymore. >> bill: you could have the
arthur delaney is with us. and so is the twitter world. >> from the chat room pat says the republicans are saying they will violate the pledge only if we get rid of social security medicare. and also on twitter, progressive bishop says it is me or is arthur delaney rocking the peter defalk look this morning with the dishevelled air and blazer. >> i don't know who that is. >> i think it is a compliment. >> whenever i come to the show wearing a tie, you often make
fun of me. >> you look nice. >> bill: and peter wore a tie this morning. >> look the part be the part. >> bill: but i want to pick up on your point on entitlements. this is another trap we're falling into right? when republicans say that they are really saying i'm paul ryan and i want to get rid of social security and medicare. they are not entitlements, correct? >> yeah. but the democrats are totally willing to do this by the way -- >> bill: what? >> strengthen entitlements that's what fave raid code strengthen them, but the only program that anyone is trying to rule out of these discussions is social security. harry reid said we're not doing social security in these talks,
but medicare and medicaid are going to get whacked most likely, and that's like the grand bargain that president obama south last year this stuff is in the boles simpson recommendations. the republicans say we'll do this if we can do entitlement reform, and democrats are already totally on board with that. >> bill: i hope you are wrong, and i think the democrats will be making a huge mistake if they cave on social security medicare, and medicaid. >> dick durbin said it yet, medicare and medicaid are on the table, not social security but the other two. >> bill: i repeat. i like dick durbin a lot, if they agree to any cuts in medicare and medicaid then what
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this stage. so there is still a chance for a moon colony. >> bill: oh, good. i hope he runs and becomes the republican nominee in 2016. >> that would be the perfect christmas gift. >> bill: with we make it if i recall here that the first endorsement received by newt gingrich for president in 2016 here on the "full court press," this monday november 26th if anybody has an email address for him -- let's put that out on the wires right now. bill press endorses newt gingrich for president in 2016. there it is. i'll make it official. now back to cyber monday -- not so much as cyber monday that we wanted to talk about as black
friday. the numbers i saw 2 -- of course black friday includes -- what do we call thursday? because the stores -- >> some gray thursday i think is what some people were calling it. >> bill: wal-mart i think as early as 5:00 thursday certainly by 8:00 some of the big stores were open. but black friday sales, 247 million americans, 247 million americans, went shopping either at the store or online. i mean that's -- what --
>> man. >> -- three-quarters of the country? >> yeah, that's a big number, man. >> bill: yeah. it is a big number. total sales black friday $59 billion. >> that's up something like 10% from last year. >> bill: yeah, up huge from last year, and for the first time ever, more people shopped online than in stores. i just find that -- and i would love to know from you, you know, were you part of that mob scene? and why? what was your experience? i like to go to stores at a time when -- maybe i'm just weird. i like to go shopping at a time when i'm going to avoid the crowds. >> yeah.
>> bill: not when i know it is going to be the most crowded day ever. that's like if you don't have to go at rush hour, why would you go at rush hour? because you like to sit in traffic all evening. so why would you go shopping when you know not only will you fight the crowds you might even lose your life get trampled. >> but the deals bill. the deals. >> bill: i knew that was going to be your answer so then why not do it online? >> i'm in no way defending black friday, but these stores will often offer these deals only in-store. they love to whip up the crowd get people in line create the scene, it's free publicity for their store. >> bill: but we have seen all of the video of like the riots
after soccer games in england. that's what it looked like to me yesterday when people went into a victoria's secret store. [ laughter ] >> bill: a mob scene trying to pick up whatever lingerie was on sale. >> it's crazy. >> bill: but it also says that people would not be spending that much money if they didn't feel good about this economy. >> absolutely. >> bill: they feel good about the economy and the election. they feel good we're on the right track, and they are going to spend their money, and that's great for retail sales, and that's why you have to extend these tax cuts for the middle class. it all fits together. so i think there's a lot of -- a lot of meaning to what happened
on black friday. i would love to know again, if you were part of it what your experience was. 866-55-press. if $423 is the average, that means half of those shoppers spent -- right a lot more. >> yeah. yeah. i mean -- >> bill: i hope a lot of my friends were out there. >> yeah right. i have only done the black friday thing once when i was younger. it all stopped when i had kids. i don't get enough sleep as it is. i'm damn sure not going to wake up to go shopping. but when i went i remember thinking to myself, these people -- i don't understand why you don't just take that money and time and spread it out. everyone thinks they have to get it done in one big shop. >> bill: my only experience with
this is my sister who usually is out at what used to be 3:00 in the morning, friday morning. this year she didn't. she said i have had enough of that. >> oh, wow. >> bill: but i said you are nuts. why do you do this? and she always explained that there are toys -- whatever the hot toy is for that season and they are only available then at a certain price then and they have like 100, right? or an appliance or refrigerator and the first 100 people get them and then no more. so it's the only time to get them. laura has some experience down in florida. good morning. >> caller: good morning to you. it's so funny how everybody sits
around the thanks giving table and we're all thankful for this and that and then we try to kill each other over a barbie doll. >> bill: yeah. did you? >> no no, i never do the black friday shopping thing ever. you buy a tv in january when the old tvs come out and new tvs come in. jewelry is in the spring. like i had bought christmas presents last year when they were on sale during the year and that's what they are getting this year. >> bill: i think there is a certain wisdom there, laura and peter because after the holidays there are also great bargains available. >> that's a good point. >> bill: whatever it
is -- whoever came up with this idea, right, of the day after thanksgiving, which would normally probably be one of the slowest day of the year and then some very smart pr person said, no let's take a negative and make at it plus. let's turn it into a hot shopping day by offering bargains and see if we can bring the american people out. and the american people have swallowed it hook like and sinker. >> she hit the nail on the head we spend thursday sitting around saying what we're thankful for, now let's go out and buy a bunch of crap that we don't need. i could have a bigger tv though. >> bill: and elbows -- >> and elbowed and clawed and scratched to get it. >> bill: black friday is it
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crap. >> bill: today is cyber monday expected to hit another record on online sales today. if you are looking for one christmas that you might want to get online if you or your good friend of yours doesn't always have a copy of "the obama hate machine." you can only get a signed copy here going to billpressshow.com. tell us how you want it signed. i buy more and more online. online shopping -- which i started out saying -- listen i love going out to the stores and getting into the spirit of things, huh-uh. more and more online shopping. >> yesterday we went through the christmas lists with the kids and helped them get their christmas lists in order. and i don't know that there is
anything on that list that i won't buy online. we'll have to get the dynamite formy youngest son, but i think we'll get everything online. >> bill: christmas tree? >> we have the fake christmas tree. >> i like shopping in person because it keeps the jobs behind the counter in the stores. >> bill: no there is a lot to be said for going out to the stores -- >> you can have my christmas spirit. >> bill: obviously more and more people are doing it. more people shopped friday online than went into stores. steve is calling from chicago, good morning. >> caller: good morning, bill. how are you? >> bill: i'm doing good. thank you. >> caller: i don't have a problem with black friday and i think it's great that people shop in our neighborhoods and stores, but we should also call
it union friday or union weekend. all of the wal-mart workers that are trying to form a union. i think that's the real story. >> bill: i like that idea steve. i wish we would call it union friday particularly when it comes to wal-mart. but what you should do is patronize and shop at your union affiliated stores like costco and target right? and not wal-mart. >> that's a good one. plus all of the small businesses. >> bill: yeah, turn it into a positive. i like that idea, steve. >> when the presidential candidates are spending like drunken sailors you can't blame the people for doing the same thing. >> bill: steve good to hear from you in a good suburb of chicago,
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>> bill: all right. in the next hour joe is going to be here at the top of the hour, and we will talk about what is happening in egypt, gaza, and with susan rice, and then we'll be joined by john stanton from "buzzfeed" to talk about all of the latest political news and we saw over the nation the resignation of congressman jesse jackson, jr. what is that all about. the president has a behind closed doors working day all day today. has a meeting at 10:30 with vice president biden, and then he'll send the rest of the day meeting with his senior advisors. and jay carney white house briefing at 1:30 this afternoon
[♪ theme music ♪] >> bill: hey good morning, everybody. and welcome to the "full court press," this monday morning november 26th. great to see you today. thanks for being part of the program. we're bringing you up to date on the stories and news of the day, and take your calls at 866-55-press. lots and lots to talk about including who say there is a recession. black friday proved this recession is over.
247 million americans went shopping either online or out in the stores spending an average of 423 bucks each. for a total of $459 billion. people are feeling good about america. the obama economy is working, and booming back. lots to talk about. we will get into all of that. first we get the latest from lisa ferguson out in los angeles with today's current news update. >> good morning, everyone. the gop is warning of a government shutdown over the filibuster. senate majority leader harry reid is considering a plan to ban the filibusters that prevent debates from ever starting. senator would have to actually talk about the issue if filibusters were allowed. it would change the president to
just 51 votes. the gop says that that plan undermines the rights of the minority party, and is threatening a backlash if reid moves forward. jon mccain softed his stance a bit saying he would give rice a chance to explain her statements over the ben gausy attacks. but representative pete king is not letting up and said rice failed in her responsibilities. another challenge for the obama administration comes from setting up the health insurance exchanges. those exchanges are meant to let buyers compare plans but 16 states they won't take part. now not only is the administration working on a tight deadline but they will also likely run out of the
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[♪ theme music ♪] >> announcer: broadcasting across the nation, on your radio, and on current tv this is the "bill press show." >> bill: okay. the party is over. my vacation and the thanksgiving weekend, party is over time to get back to work here. good morning welcome everybody to the "full court press," this monday morning november 26th. good to see you. hope you had a good break. i certainly did. a big thank you to john
fugelsang and david shuster while i was gone. we're getting your comments anyway you can do it. give us a call at 866-55-press. follow us on twitter @bpshow, at facebook, facebook@billpressshow, and the chat room is ongoing all the time with full court pressers across the land. go to current.com and click on the chat room, and you are in the conversation, and one of our favorites and favored guests and most frequent guests back with us this morning. joe cirincione back on the show. you look like you must have an important meeting after the show. >> yes i do. you had a great article in "politico." that was terrific. >> bill: thank you.
is that up on our website? >> we'll make sure we put it on our website right now. >> very nice profile from mackenzie winger from "politico," and it appears on saturday or sunday, and was on the front page. >> yeah. >> bill: we want you to see it as well. peter ogburn and dan henning. thank you joe. and siprion bolling as always. >> bill: hey, an important -- the issue of marriage equality was a big issue in the campaign bt obama, of course, with a big change of heart on the issue. he waited for a long time.
used to be against it but he came out for it which really was an important -- a significant step in this presidential campaign. yesterday the human rights campaign came out with three states affirmatively endorsed marriage equality and minnesota rejected a constitutional ban against it. and the human rights campaign came out with a very powerful ad it's a yesterday. and you would think it was god himself. >> america stands at the dawn of a new day -- >> morgan friedman. >> -- now across our country, we are standing together for people
to marry who they love. the wind is at our back but our journey has just begun. join us. >> bill: that's the voice of mount sinai. >> i don't see how you could be against gay marriage and equality and hear that and still be against it. >> bill: yeah. now dan is here. >> the holidays are coming to washington. the obama family welcomed the christmas tree today. it's a 65-foot tall spruce from the national forest in colorado.
john mayer -- john boehner -- >> not john mayer. he is no longer in politics. >> john boehner will light the tree next week. >> bill: okay. god. i guess they are not rushing the season -- >> no, the music, the lights started way before thanksgiving. >> i think it's nice that binder is going to light the tree with his burned out cigarette. [ laughter ] >> bill: go flick your butt at the tree. >> yeah. >> president obama prepared his list and bought 15 books for christmas presidents over the weekend.
>> bill: you talk about knowing what you want. >> and a big change this college football -- >> one of the books he bought was the "the obama hate machine." >> auburn has fired its coach after just two years of winning a national championship. they lost to alabama 49-0 on saturday. >> it was a nail biter. it was 42-0 at the half. >> bill: oh, man. they were putting the water boy in to throw the ball at that point. i really wish that nick saysin would have said let's do 100-0
on these guys. >> bill: yeah. joe it's good to see you as always. important news from syria this morning that it looks like the rebels. a couple of weeks ago they pulled themselves together in one united force, and it is working, right? >> yes they are advancing both outside of the country and in greater political unity, and inside you can see the headlines in the papers, sirrian rebels advance steadily. and there has been a series of victories by the rebels seizing military bases, and that means they are seizing weapons, tanks, armored vehicles anti-aircraft weapons, shoulder-fired anti-weapon rockets, and they
just stormed an air base yesterday knocks out about eight jets, and damaging the helicopter base. this is a significant victory because it is from the base of the strong hold. >> bill: would they be willing to do this unless there was some defection in the military? >> i think you are exactly right. you are seeing a disintegration of the military. it's rebel forces taking over heavily armed military bases. this wouldn't happen if they still had control over the military. >> bill: so is the u.s. policy against syria working? >> it is. we have been worried about some
of the islamist force elements in the resistance al-qaeda-like resistance, but leaving it up to the people themselves and it seems to be working. it's a brutal war, but the tide does seem have had shifted, and assad, seems to be failing. >> bill: foreign policies dominated the headlines for the last week or so. >> well the middle east is in turmoil. >> bill: it was like two years ago that we had arab spring and the toppling of nubarak, and then held elections and
president moresy is elected, and now there are demonstrations against morsi because it looks like he wants to become another dictator, because he has assumed these extraordinary powers. >> days after president obama praises morsi for his role in benghazi, he was emerging as a leader, just days after that morsi issues a decree saying that all of the laws are now no longer subject to judicial review, so he is removing that check on the presidential authority. the result is that the courts protest strongly threatened to go on strike and the secular
opposition both the pronubarac opposition and those in support of morsi in the election are now reoccupying the square -- >> bill: so he has pissed off both sides? >> yes. but he saw this as a presumptive move. because the packed court was threatening to issue an order to dissolve the authority. and he said until that constitution is written, you have no jurisdiction over this. he seems to have gone too far and some of his own supporters have said he has to walk this back. so a compromise may be in the works, that limits the decree to just the judicial not every issue. >> bill: we're skipping here
very fast but any questions you have here on any of these issues, joe is your man. >> we cover the world in 30 minutes. >> bill: 30 make it 15 or 10. joe, you mentioned this compromise in gaza. there is a lot of debate israel saying we didn't agree to that and the hamas saying oh yes, you did, but how far the fishermen can go and about -- >> yeah. >> bill: so is this going to hold? >> it is holding so far. they are having incidents on both sides, and the palestinians are pressing it. now the fishermen are going six miles, the israelis are letting them. there is some farmland in dispute. >> bill: but no more rockets are
being fired, huh? >> there have been a couple of rockets fired, but no killings in the last 24 hours. and what you are seeing is both sides seem to be saying they won. and hamas has emerged as a genuine force, one that people are staying they are going to have to be involved any negotiations in the future. >> bill: which creates a problem
for those who have not recognized hamas has ledge it mate. >> right. in a power struggle. >> bill: on the 29th of november, president hasbas goes to the united nations seeking to be a state. >> as an observer state. not admitted to the un, but a step away from that. >> bill: and the united states opposes that. >> yes. >> bill: why? >> because of israel. we recognize that there has to be a two-state solution. >> bill: why shouldn't beapprove this resolution? >> basically the rationale is we want that recognition, but it has to be the result of a negotiation process and you can't unilaterally declare that. that's the position. >> bill: is it going to pass? >> i don't know. >> bill: can we veto it? >> no, it's a general assembly, so we can't veto it.
so just majority vote it could pass. we'll see how they go this time. high-stakes poker. >> bill: indeed. joe, i want to ask you about the campaign to discredit susan rice lead by john mccain and lindsay graham -- >> who? >> bill: yes. [ laughter ] >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." ♪ going to do the young turks. i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they know that i'm not bs'ing them with some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know that i'm going to be the first one to call them out. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look
the hour now, here we go with the "full court press." joe is our guest in studio. particularly john mccain and lindsay graham have made a big deal of saying there is no way they would support ms. rice becoming secretary of state. she has not been nominated as secretary of state, right? >> right. >> bill: and she may not be. >> she may not be. >> bill: although if i were president obama i would nominate her. >> especially when you have a winning hand. >> bill: right. what about their allegations and attacks. >> they are attacking susan rice for reading talking points to describe what happened in
benghazi. what the best information was. the cia has intentionally taken out the word al-qaeda for terrorist because they didn't want to tip their hand that they knew who was responsible for these attacks. >> bill: susan rice was reading what was reported to them. >> yes, she says this is what we know at the time this may change. and then she said we believe this is the result of a copycat attack. it turns out that's not what happened, but when it is known for sure, the white house comes out and says that. so they are not hiding anything.
so this allegation that somehow she's a political hack -- and then there is also the point that she -- they see her as vulnerable. they think they can make a blow against the president right after he has just been reelected overwhelmingly. >> bill: and why should anybody care? >> increasingly they don't. these are two fading divas. you can see it. they are already starting to back down on the talk shows, you can see them starting to fold their tents. >> bill: two fading divas. i love it. i'm only disappointed that joe said it before i did. because you are absolutely right. you are my hero.
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their great work at nea.org. lots of political news hitting us over the thanksgiving weekend. to sum it all up we welcome john stanton who is the washington bureau chief of an emerging more and more important powerful political website called buzzfeed. buzzfeed.com. good morning, john. >> it's good to be here. >> bill: you guys are doing really good work and growing all the time and we take advantage of it and you too. so a quick little story. on june 10th of this year i was out for dinner with my wife at an event, actually, and i suddenly started feeling really bad, and i realized i had to go to though emergency room and i did. and i found out that i popped a
hernia. they were able to push it back and said you need to come back and have an operation. but they were wheeling my out of the hospital in a wheelchair to my car and i ran into congressman jesse jackson, jr. walking in. and i said jesse, what are you doing here. and he said i'm feeling a little bit under the weather. last time anybody saw jesse jackson, jr. and now he has resigned. why? >> the federal investigation has been going on into his use of campaign finance funds, and it looks like that has finally caught up to him. there is a lot of speculation -- of him going to
hospital and rehab -- >> bill: because he has been in rehab -- and then they found out it was bipolar disorder. >> but there's a not of speculation that that may not have been true. he knew he was going to be in trouble. >> bill: he said he is cooperating with federal authorities in this criminal investigation. what are they investigating? >> it's a little unclear to me. there has been talk that he was inappropriately using funds from his campaign and things like that. and he more or less copped to it in his letter. he said i made a lot of mistakes. i hope i'm not remembered for that. and it's a little sad. you see a lot of these guys go
for their heating during the winter using unsafe heating devices, actually the need for public safety for firefighters and the neighborhoods is at its highest when our economy is sometimes most struggling. so he just has no real view and understanding of the world and his record as a governor shows that. i mean when he was governor, he cut local aid through massachusetts -- throughout massachusetts which put cities and municipalities under great pressure. and then forced to lose jobs firefighters, cops teachers. and so this is to me, just a clear view of the world that he's showing. >> bill: isn't it also true, president schaitberger that around the country, as a result
of the crash of 2008 and when -- particularly after the stimulus funds ran out, there have already been pretty severe cuts to fire departments and police departments and, of course, to teachers around the country. >> well, there's no question. the pressure on public services has been tremendous. and the job losses have been significant. and bill, i'll give you another real understanding of romney's view of his disdain i guess i would say for the incredible service that firefighters, cops, certainly teachers provide to our communities. you know, during this tough economic time, the president was able to put in his budget and to support the grant program that you may be familiar with that has been in place for the last two years that is helping communities to bring back some
of those firefighters laid off. and to fill those rides, we call them on those rigs that had been lost through attrition. governor romney openly opposed this program as he did the auto stimulus and the fact of the matter is that massachusetts through the program and the president's support, has been able to put firefighters back to work in fall river, in lawrence, in new bedford, worcester, all across his own state. not only firefighters going back to work and having good, middle class jobs and spending and helping this economy to grow. but providing the services that those neighborhoods, those communities and those citizens expect when they experience their worst of times. >> bill: we're talking with harold schaitberger, the general president of the international association of firefighters. you can find out more about
their program, their great work and also their involvement in this 2012 election season by going to the web site at iaff.org. president schaitberger, they say the lesson of wisconsin is that americans think we don't need as many firefighters, teachers and police officers on the job. what do you think is the message of wisconsin? i know your people were active there and we didn't get the result that we wanted. people? what can you tell us? >> bill: -- >> bill, obviously i don't agree with that and i'll tell you why. i believe part of the lesson of wisconsin was an electorate that had faced seven elections in a 16-month period. i think there was a lot of just simple campaign and election fatigue. i do believe that that is a factor. but let me flip it over to ohio. because ohio, who face at very similar situation with john
kasich and his -- when it went to the people, when the people were allowed to vote on what they wanted -- whether they wanted to support their firefighters and cops and teachers, by 62% to 38%, they overwhelmingly expressed that support. you know, the people get confused. i understand we really understand the economic pressures that this country has been facing. and certainly our union and our members and leadership, the firefighters, 300,000 across >> [ technical difficulties ] >> bill: pick a number 25 grand or whatever it is. >> when you get to that level that's all you get. so that i think -- >> bill: let's get to the bush tax cuts. >> right. >> bill: i have not heard one of them say, end bush tax cuts and
i'll go for it? >> no, there might be a few in the house particularly but no i don't think you are going to see that. but there isn't a lot of money in the top end of those tax cuts. >> bill: they may say that but what is the truth. jack lou, whom i trust, says unless you get rid of the bush tax cuts you are never going to get enough revenue by closing loopholes or limits deductions. >> true. >> bill: and they have been in place for 12 years. why not get rid of them right? they were temporary to begin with. >> nobody wants to do, i think the levels he is talking about, though. for him the amount of the tax cuts you are going to have to get rid of i don't even think the democrats are going to support at this point. you are going to have a tough
time of getting harry reid's democrats to vote for. >> bill: bottom line president obama said, i may have agreed to extent them for another two years, but no way, no how will i extend the bush tax cuts. he was there when he said again, i will veto any bill that comes to me that continues the bush tax cuts. veto it this year. is he going to hold to that? he said that two years ago, and then he caved. >> and then he caved. it depends on what he can get. if we can get the debt ceiling fixed, or some kind of serious amounts of revenue someplace else, where he can offset allowing those essentially to extend, you may see him agree to something. but right now he and boehner
have drawn before definite lines% in the sand. >> bill: do you think at this point that we could go over the fiscal cliff? >> i think it's possible. i do. >> bill: woe. 866-55-press is the toll-free number. if you have a question comment, or challenge, john he says we might go over the fiscal cliff. i think they are going to work out a deal but i think i'm going to hate the deal. >> announcer: on your radio and on current tv this is the "bill press show." ♪ alright, in 15 minutes we're going to do the young turks. i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they know that i'm not bs'ing them with some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know that i'm going to be the first one to call them out. they can
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>> announcer: this is the "bill press show." >> bill: thirteen minutes before the top of the hour here on monday november 26th it is the "full court press." john stanton is our guest here in studio. you have heard that we're really working hard with the salvation army to help raise money for americans in need. i ask you to visit onlineredkettle.org/billpress. there you can help me fill by kettle by making a donation to the salvation army. together we can help the salvation army continue doing the most good. john stanton i want to ask you a little bit about -- first just to follow up with the conversation we're having.
we had an election on november 6th. there were clearly two different approaches put before the american people. president obama said you got to raise taxes on the wealthy and close loopholes at the same name. and mitt romney said we may limit deductions but we'll do it all through spending cuts. the american people said nope president obama has the better plan. so why are we having this conversation? >> because we sort of didn't. they represented the house of representatives with john boehner in charge right. >> bill: but there is a clear difference between obama and romney -- >> at the top level, yeah be if they still want their members to be their members and their members are -- the majority sort of the opposite side of
things. it's sort of a you guys figure it out -- >> bill: let me ask the question this way who is dealing from strength here in the negotiations? >> i think obama comes in with sort of more national momentum. he definitely has some capital that he does not want to spend on this but he may have to. but everything has to come through boehner first. so he really has a lot of power in this thing, and i think, you know to underestimate hissest ability to say no, all of my members were reelected. >> bill: but john they lost seats in the house. >> they did. but they still have a 35-seat
majority and that's enough to told he line. >> bill: ray is calling from chicago. >> caller: your guest here sounds like obama lost and we only have -- this guy needs to grow a titanium steal backbone here. but needless to say -- >> bill: welcome to the program, john. yes, go ahead. >> here is the effective strategy obama needs to make it look like we're going to go over the cliff. and this will put tremendous pressure on the republican side. and go over those clowns heads, go right to the american public. a direct presentation that he can make to the public and say, listen, we won 60-plus percent. >> bill: thank you for the call. and you can expect the president
to do that can't you? >> one would think so although he hasn't as much in this past as one would have thought he would have. if he does a campaign style thing the next couple of weeks where he swings through states and puts the pressure on the republicans, he may do that. >> bill: there was a very interesting statement about the republican party needing to reexamine his strategy. here is john mccain. >> as far as young women are concerned, absolutely. i can state my position on abortion, but other than that leave the issue alone when we are in the kind of economic situation and frankly national security situation that we're in. >> so you would say freedom of choice? >> i would allow people to have
those opinions and respect those opinions. i'm proud of my pro-life position and record but if someone disagrees with me i respect your views. >> bill: chris wallace obvious i will "fox news sunday." the republican party not to make that a number one issue would be a major change wouldn't it? >> it i would be. they tried that this last election cycle, but they got pushed back, and sometimes democrats were able to force the issue, but in the house they had these -- they had five or six i believe abortion votes over the last two years, none of which had really any real impact because they were votes on the hyde amendment, which already has been in place, and there is this sort of group of republicans that are increasingly saying we need to leave these issues alone.
we stand for them but we need to get away from them. >> bill: let's talk about other issues like the economy. >> right. >> bill: hey john thanks so much for coming in. it's good to see you. i'm going to come back with a parting shot of what struck me most about turkey where i just spent the last ten days. >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." ♪
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cat people. personally i have always considered myself both a dog and a cat person, but after spending almost ten days in turkey turks are definitely cat people. everywhere you look there are cats at the end -- the entrance to hotels and restaurants, everywhere. everybody feeds those cats. i learned that lesson one night. i put aside a head and tail of my fish to feed neighborhood cats, but the owner was already out front feeding scraps of fish to the neighborhood cats whom he knew by name. the turks are not all bad, they also love cats.